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Poster: Liamfinnegan Date: Aug 5, 2006 2:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Three new post- sorry-on my mine- Drums Space avoider

I skip through this all the time- did it at shows too- who can help me appreciate this as part of the dead experience? There are any number of best drums- space threads- but with the new people and old- can you help me break this stuborn problem I have? Am I missing out on something beautiful and mysterious? Space to me always seemed to me endless noodling with no point in mind from 81 onward- maybe you can point some sequences out to me that can help me turn the corner on this terrible malady

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Poster: unclejohnnyd Date: Aug 7, 2006 9:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Three new post- sorry-on my mine- Drums Space avoider

I'm with most of you on space - live is one thing but I generally fast forward when listening on CD. Drums on the other hand - drums was allmost allways the one thing you could depend on being exploratory and good. They used to use the surround sound in the Colliseum to blow your mind.

Check out the 6-28-91 ( i think it's the 28 ) Mile high stadium, Denver. Excellent drums AND space. The sound took control over an entire huge stadium, you have to admit that is impressive. I remember seeing cars drive on the overpass by the stadium and thinking if they have their windows rolled down and they're hearing this they would HAVE to think a UFO just landed. There are a lot of others but this one has allways been one of my favs.

Oh yeah! How about the space>Fire on Dead Set ( from Radio Ciry 10-31-80 I think )

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Poster: another one Date: Aug 8, 2006 8:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Three new post- sorry-on my mine- Drums Space avoider

i used to skip drums/space, but then (as with just about any sound jerry garcia has something to do with) i grew to appricate space. the weirder the better, in my opinion. Sometimes space can get so crazy though that i have to turn it off, but that is a rare occasion. But Drumzhead i am not.

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Poster: rak5877 Date: Aug 8, 2006 9:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Three new post- sorry-on my mine- Drums Space avoider

although i tend to favor the latter era dead in general, i prefer the pre-hiatus space segments that would melt into and out of individual songs, like playin, or dark star. seems more organic to me. it ain't "space" as much as it is a song that got really spacey.

the latter era space, that almost always appeared out of drums, which almost always appeared about 1/2 way through the 2nd set, seems boring/predictable to me. not so much the jam itself, but where it falls.

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Poster: unclejohnnyd Date: Aug 8, 2006 10:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Three new post- sorry-on my mine- Drums Space avoider

I wasn't counting that in this, should I? If that's the case I LOVE space if we're talking Dark Star,Other1,Playin etc. where the music opens up and flows. If that's the case then some of my favorite moments are when they take it way out then go into El Paso or something very non space. I love the contrast. Anyway I think this was about the formal " space" that came after drums. When did they official set that arrangement in stone? They touched on it prior but was it 1980 where it happend every show or after?

ps - one could make an arguement about Seastones but that only lasted part of 74. Not a big fan although there are a couple of interesting ones I can sit through like 10-19-74

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Aug 8, 2006 3:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Three new post- sorry-on my mine- Drums Space avoider

this is a good observation

prior to about 1980 or so (?) the band almost seemed to go in and out of space at will (or not), even drum solos were not always a given

but the more predictable "play some tunes>drums>space>play some more tunes" format created a longer 2nd set (some of the late 70's 2nd sets were shorter than the 1st sets) allowing aging performers a much needed break, in a sense creating a 3rd set for the individual musicians

in any case GD have consistantly given more bonus performance time than almost any other large draw band

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Poster: unclejohnnyd Date: Aug 8, 2006 4:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Three new post- sorry-on my mine- Drums Space avoider

" in any case GD have consistantly given more bonus performance time than almost any other large draw band "

That's a fact! Not only that but up until I stopped seeing them in 91 ( only one show in 92 ) they were still at LEAST 5-10 cheaper than other bands of their /popularity/size/age/etc.

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Aug 8, 2006 4:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Three new post- sorry-on my mine- Drums Space avoider

recall paying about $12 for most GD tickets in the early 80's when The Eagles were screwing their audiences for nearly $100 a ticket

This post was modified by midnight sun on 2006-08-08 23:52:15

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Poster: rak5877 Date: Aug 9, 2006 6:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Three new post- sorry-on my mine- Drums Space avoider

seems that the D>S structure started in 78, and by 79 was pretty firmly entrenched (at least according to deadlists.com).

and while it is not my favorite thing to listen to, i echo midnight sun's sentiment that it was a "good" thing in that it gave the band a chance to take a blow (pun intended) and get a little more gas for the end of the show.

and like earl i will often, but not always, listen to space to try and figure out when they decided what to play. but i am a serial "drums-skipper."

This post was modified by rak5877 on 2006-08-09 13:39:06

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 5, 2006 5:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Three new post- sorry-on my mine- Drums Space avoider

you are missing out - so did i - good time to "grasp reality - during an espciallh tough trip - sound good on paper though :)

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Aug 5, 2006 6:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Three new post- sorry-on my mine- Drums Space avoider

Don't feel all alone...I edit out Drums/Space on my CD mixes...never really liked the segment at the shows other than knowing it was a precursor to the 2nd set. The only satisfaction I ever got from it was attempting to find the moment of communication that would signal the segue into the opening song of the second set. In later years I did find some of the drum segments of sonic interest as both the instruments and the technology expanded. (But only at shows, still don't bother with recording it.)

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Poster: Zaorish Date: Aug 5, 2006 8:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Three new post- sorry-on my mine- Drums Space avoider

I think they are a great contrast to all the happy/emotional Dead songs...they put you in a "morally/emotionally neutral" state, sort of ground you in the harsh realities of life, and tone down your expectations for the climax of the show.

Compare with the Star Wars soundtrack, or the more romantic operas...most of the songs are really dark and scary....interspersed with beautiful emotional high points, which the dark parts emphasize and justify.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 5, 2006 8:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Three new post- sorry-on my mine- Drums Space avoider

yeah - shrooms realy helped with that feel - :)

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Poster: Scott66 Date: Aug 5, 2006 11:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Three new post- sorry-on my mine- Drums Space avoider

I tend to edit out all the songs and just burn the drums/space part to CD. Now that's hardcore!!

This post was modified by Scott66 on 2006-08-06 06:41:04

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Aug 6, 2006 7:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Drums /Space avid

Infrared Roses!

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 6, 2006 9:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Drums /Space avid

I used to roam the venue fantastic during drumz 'n spaced
Beer & beer recycling runs runs also
Btw, I'll be giving out the rest of my free CD's here >> www.jerryday.org (I'll be on da grass, center-where the cloud of smoke is-lol)

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Aug 5, 2006 6:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Three new post- sorry-on my mine- Drums Space avoider

I must admit that I will, on occassion, cut out drums to fit a set 2 jam on a cd, however, I always have loved the Space portion of second sets and almost never cut it. Sure, sometimes it was just mindless noodling, but often it would be the most interesting and improvisational part of the show. I do a lot of travelling for my job and especially love long Drums > Space jams for long stretches on the road, it seems to make the miles melt away.